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I do not use OBS, as it deinterlaces internally and does not pass interlaced video through, unless I missed something. GV-USB2 has various deinterlacing settings, you need to use "weave". You say 3D effect, do you mean different colors split in a rainbow effect? Really hard to say without a sample.

@@ConsumerDV No 3D effects, what I meant by that is jagged edges like those old 3D games, all horizontal. I'll double check the setting to make sure is on weave. Thanks for the suggestion and btw, amazing video.

@@IronClawNinja With "weave" the dongle sends fields as they are, and it is up to you to treat video as interlaced and deinterlace, or to treat is as progressive and not deinterlace. I don't use OBS, but I think it should be set up to capture 60p, using a "double frame rate" deinterlacer. Any other setting in the GV-USB2 uses its built-in deinterlacer, and it is not very good.

Yeah, footage from this Panasonic looks quite good for basic VHS. It is a PAL version, so 20% more lines than NTSC.

@@ConsumerDV I'm sad that your camera the NV RZ17 died... What happened? Seems like he ate the tape as if the mechanics and heads stopped working suddenly. Is sad because this camera had amazing quality for normal VHS.

It stopped moving the tape along. I tried cleaning it and tried a different cassette, but it did not work.

I think it is the total resolution. Yes, effective would be lower with stabilization turned on. I don't think it is a limiting factor. The VX700, one of the first DV camcorders, had a single 440 kpix sensor, about 380 kpix effective. I have a Video8 camcorder with 220 kpix, I also think one of my JVC is about 270 kpix. You need to record only one field at a time. So really you need only 288x250 = 72 kpix. For SVHS it would be 288x400 = 115 kpix. This is assuming that each pixel is triluminous. If not, then mulitply by 3, so 216 kpix and 345 kpix. Either way, 400 kpix should be enough.

@@ConsumerDV Is not bad, it was pretty standard and looked very good even when the megapixel race started. Most miniDV and Digital 8 cameras had the same amount in their PAL versions of 540k pix and 350k effective pix while other miniDV and Digital 8 models had 800k total pix and 400k effective pix. In their NTSC versions it was 460k total pix and 290k effective pix, 680k total pix and 340k effective pix.

@@ConsumerDV What brand and model is your Video 8 camera? I’m curious.

@Joscraft_05 Sony TRV-44E, cannot find a manual for it. EDIT: 105 kpix (479x220).

@@ConsumerDV I think that amount “105k” is for the LCD screen.

From my experiments I figured that the DVD/VHS Common outputs bypass the TBC, while the Video Priority outputs go through the TBC (see the image at 00:47). When you play a tape, you can use either of these outputs. Naturally, I use the Priority S-video output. Also, if you copy on a DVD, the unit uses the TBC as well.

@@ConsumerDV thank you! The video was very helpful!

Well, Nonstop was produced by New York-based LXTV, while LX News was produced by a new team in an entirely new studio in Fort Worth. LXTV has been doing glitzy lifestyle TV all along, while LX News reported on racial, gender, environmental topics.

"The GS500 is indeed the only camcorder I heard that does USB capture." - I believe all these can do it: GS75, GS150, GS180, GS250, GS300, GS320, GS400, GS500, but I personally tested only the GS500 and I've read reports of someone else having success with the GS320. Caveat emptor :) "I wonder how ... the Sony DCR-SX33 ... footage would compare to a digital/analog capture of a minDV tape camcorder." - When you say "digital/analog capture", do you mean capturing digital video through an analog port? Analog capture does not ruin in, just a bit less sharp and a bit more noise, still very watchable. Like most DV camcorders, the SX33 has CCD sensor, so no skew or jello or flash-banding. The SX33 records in MPEG-2, not an issue if it is well implemented, you should not see noticeable differences. Early Long-GOP implementations showed degradation from keyframe to keyframe, the video would "pulse". "Panasonic made me hate miniDV since they all fail eventually" - my Panasonic MiniDV camcorders work so far. I saw Sony failing and very many JVC camcorders failing. "yet, this medium might have a higher quality than those newer SD-card recording camcorders." - Depends on implementation. DV and MPEG-2 were developed at about the same time, but in the 1990s DV was less power-hungry and was symmetrical, so the same chip could be used for encode and decode. In the 2000s MPEG-2 became viable. "And I only talk about SD cameras, not HD. They don't have the miniDV look & feel." - Most HD camcorders have CMOS sensors, but some have CCD. CMOS has rolling shutter, CCD has global shutter. Also, CCD produce a "ray of light" on bright light sources, a vertical bright line caused by overdriving CCD cells. How does this look to you? ua-cam.com/video/chD5LvN8YeM/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/zeWQBMUipWI/v-deo.html Not the best quality, I recompressed it several times, also I deinterlaced to 30p not 60p. Shot with a 3CCD HD camcorder.

@@ConsumerDV Many thanks! 1. About Mpeg-2 - I can edit it straight in Adobe apps, yet, not in Davinci. I must convert it to MP4 [as I don't want large files for such relatively low-res footage]. And magically, the mp4 files look a bit better/ sharper than the original mpeg2. My BIGGEST problem, though, is that I can't find any way to "preserve the smooth motion look" of these CCD camcorders [smooth soap opera look] - when editing it on the computer. There are "fields" and there is "framerate". And it seems like they are connected. I was sure because of the interlaced fields- where only "even" or "odd" number of fields are being shown over 60fps- then it's possible to have all fields [=progressive] within 25fps, and keep that smooth motion and export a 25fps [or 30fps] file. Yet, it seems like those two fields NEED 50-60fps to be displayed, and if I render something as 25fps progressive- then 1/2 half of the fields are deleted- turning the camcorder footage into a choppy mess. If you know exactly to which format, and setting- to convert such camcorder footage into usable+Smooth footage for editing- then please lemme know :) 2. Regarding capturing footage digitally [firewire] vs analog- it's surprising to see the quality isn't far off. Maybe I just imagined these camcorders record shadows [or contrasty scences] with very mushy / blotchy details in the shadows. But, who knows? Maybe you're right and they will all look more or less the same no matter which way you capture them 3. Nice footage from 2010. Looks good. I especially like to see those times, where the world was more sane :)

Both DV and MPEG-2 can be interlaced and progressive. I don't know how exactly to do it in Premiere, I use Sony Vegas (now Magix Vegas Pro) on Windows. I can edit interlaced video on an interlaced timeline, but I can choose to render any way I want: as interlaced or as 30p or as 60p. There is a deinterlacing option, and when I choose "Deinterlace: interpolate" and render as 60p, each field is converted into a full frame, and I get fluid motion. Or I can edit in 60p timeline, the render will look pretty much the same. Anyway, my render settings do not directly depend on timeline settings. Maybe in Premire it is different. Lately, I prefer to deinterlace first, and then edit as progressive-scan. If you want to try this option, feel free to check out my "VHS to 60p" video, if you skip to 9-minute mark you can see how interlaced video can be converted into progressive, which each field being converted into a complete frame: ua-cam.com/video/XzY1Vo1occc/v-deo.html . The original VirtualDub cannot ingest MPEG-2, but VirtualDub2 can. QTGMC gives better results than built-in VirtualDub deinterlacers, and it is multi-platform, so worth taking a look. Setup may be a pain, but when it works, it is great. Mushy/blotchy details are on VHS/Hi8 videos, with chroma resolution being 40 samples horizontally at best. DV is much better. Funny that I cannot suggest a DV video of mine with "live" look, as I prefer to shoot at 25p/30p :) Here is a recent one, shot at 25p and slowed down to 24p, a bit overexposed and too pinkish, still I think it looks pretty good: ua-cam.com/video/OdbG9rUx_BQ/v-deo.html

@@ConsumerDV I guess I don't have full understanding of what De-interlacing does. Maybe it doubles the fields so the missing field [odd/or Even field]- is being duplicated and placed there? But, then you also STILL need for some reason to have the footage render @60fps instead of 25fps, and that's what confuses me. I don't remember but I think I'm de-interlacing in After Effects or Davinci via a click on some setting. Meaning I'm interpolating or just interpreting the footage in a certain way [no need to re-render]- and then I place this footage on the timeline and edit. The old software in your tutorial- is it still all valid in 2024? With all those menus? It's a bummer to use something outside Adobe/Davinci but maybe it's a must. You also said something about QTGMC which I'd never heard of...

I apologize about the frame rate confusion. Each interlaced frame combines two independent fields - two separate images - taken in different time, you cannot combine them together into one frame, you will get combing or ghosting, your video will become soft. So, you need to un-comb your video, and convert each field into a separate frame. Simply speaking, every line in each field must be doubled, and fields must be converted to full frames, which is why deinterlacing is also known as "line doubling". There are two families of frame rates: one is 25/50, another is 30/60. It seems that you are located in a "PAL" country. At your location, TV is either 25 fps interlaced or 50 fps progressive, 25×2 = 50. In "NTSC" countries television is either 30 fps interlaced or 60 fps progressive: 30×2 = 60. I tried explaining interlacing here: ua-cam.com/video/siOkPQcrIUY/v-deo.html but I forgot to mention that fields are never displayed simultaneously. On a CRT TV, fields are displayed in succession, one after another, you NEVER see them together. Each field is a separate picture. See also: 100fps.com There is a whole other can of worms when progressive content like a movie is sent via an interlaced stream, in this case you CAN and should combine fields; how do you combine them depends on the pulldown pattern. For 25fps, usually you just treat both fields as one frame, easy. "The old software in your tutorial- is it still all valid in 2024? With all those menus?" - sure, it works, Windows only, no Mac. "You also said something about QTGMC which I'd never heard of..." - it is a deinterlacing script for AviSynth. AviSynth is a runtime engine to run scripts for video manipulation. It is multiplatform, can run on Mac, Windows and Linux. The simplest script just loads QTGMC library, loads your video, then runs QTGMC on it. TL;DR: if you want your 25 fps interlaced video to have the same look on UA-cam as on TV, render into 50p, and hopefully your NLE will take care of deinterlacing. Also, UA-cam needs at least 720 lines to turn 50p on.

You need to connect it to audio *input* on the PC, whether it is a line input, mic input or combo headphone/mic port. In the latter case you will likely need a dongle to convert into 4-pole TRRS, making sure that audio is sent into mic channel. Also, mic input has higher sensitivity, line input has lower sensitivity, so you may need to adjust input level in the system settings.

@@ConsumerDV On the boombox the other end of the audio cable goes connected on the headphones jack as well? I'm asking since my Sanyo boombox has mic / headphones ports. I have tried so many ways yet no success.

@@shazmanbound1496 Digital interfaces are usually bidirectional, analog interconnects are often directional. You need to get audio from the boombox output port - can be headphone out, can be line out - and feed it into computer's input port - can be mic in, or line in. You may need to select the input port in the computer's settings. If your computer does not have a dedicated analog input - mic or line - but does have a combo in/out port for headphones (out) and mic (in), then you need a cable that will feed the signal from the boombox (headphone out) into mic input. Headphone output is too strong for mic input, so I suggest setting the volume on the boombox low and the gain on the PC low as well. After you have them connected, slowly raise either the volume or gain or both, you don't want to overdrive the input circuit.

Thanks for the suggestion! I don't plan to get more VHS camcorders unless I come across something really exciting. I have one that I haven't reviewed yet, and I have several 8-mm camcorders to review. It just takes time :)

@@ConsumerDV I have been a bit fascinated when you reviewed some vhs-c cameras with the 1/6" sensor in low light, they seemed to be okay for the most part, you see a big difference in these vhs-c cameras with a 1/4" and a 1/6" in low light?

I have not directly compared them. The JVC GR-SZ7 has a 1/3-inch sensor and fast F1.2 lens, I suppose it should be the best. I bought the 1/6-inch ones primarily to transfer VHS-C footage, they have built-in TBC.

Thanks! Yes, Firewire is the standard way to transfer DV (and HDV) video to a computer or to another DV/HDV camcorder or deck. Apple invented it, but Sony was instrumental to make it a part of DV standard. Sometimes USB works too, I think Panasonic offered it for two or three years: 2005, 2006 and maybe 2007, dont' know about other brands. After you get it to a computer, you process it in the same way as digitized VHS or Hi8, that is, if you want it to look good on UA-cam then you need to deinterlace it into 50 or 60 fps and upscale to at least 720 lines. Although some DV camcorders can shoot progressive, the JVC GR-DVL9000/9500 could shoot progressive at 25p or 30p (depending on region) in 1999! ua-cam.com/video/bWtiW5cIdwQ/v-deo.html

The DVC170 did not work for me, but the DVC100 works great. Some self-appointed experts denigrate it, but I think that it is an overall well-rounded product, and the drivers are reliable.

No, I have never used it, sorry.

Just a simple Firewire cable, 4 pins on one end for the camcorder and either 4 or 6 or even 9 pins on the other end depending on your card. I have a cheap card with VIA chipset, works fine for me.

I know about the firewire400-800-thunderbolt2-thunderbult3 solution, but haven't tried it myself. @ScottSchramm has done a lot of research on the issue. You sure can capture off a DV camcorder through an analog connection, although SVideo would be preferable to composite, but not all DV camcorders can SVideo output. Transferring DV digitally provides the best quality all other things being equal, SVideo is almost as good, composite is the worst, but still quite watchable. Regarding capturing to Mac, I am not an authority here, as I use Windows. Supposedly, you should be able to use Mac as many of analog-to-digital converters have Mac-compatible software. I don't know whether good free software exists for Mac. I apologize I cannot not help much.

What do you think of DV samples in this video? ua-cam.com/video/bWtiW5cIdwQ/v-deo.html

Thanks for watching! Yeah, I am surprised they allowed recordable media like reel-to-reel and cassettes. In terms of indigenous production, cassettes were a simple tech. Reel-to-reel too. Super 8 film as well. But starting from the late 1970s the USSR was lagging more and more tech-wise. With VCRs, the Soviets correctly bet on VHS, but in terms of models, they copied one of the last top-loading Panasonic VCRs and produced it for ten years without major changes - ONE model for the whole country. They tried manufacturing CD players from foreign components, the number of units produced was minuscule. The US was not making VCRs and CD players either, but the US was making computers when a Soviet student could only buy a programmable calculator. Anyway, first - copying machines, then high-speed printers allowed to disseminate books. Then reel-to-reel tape and cassettes allowed to disseminate music and spoken word. Then VCRs allowed to watch foreign movies and music shows. The fifth or sixth copy looked and sounded bad, but it still was usable. The USSR has lost the information war. Today one can buy a 1TB MicroSD card, this is mind boggling capacity the size of a fingernail, so even if Russia cuts off its segment of the Internet, it will be possible to smuggle information in and out. Then again, Russia can seal the borders like in good old times. Will it do it? Even with UA-cam being available in Russia now, older people keep watching state TV. It seems that simply being able to access information freely is not enough. Back in the Soviet times only those who really wanted an alternative to state news, music, movies looked for it, everyone else was content with what the state fed them. Little has changed. They have smartphones but watch state news, voluntarily.

With my deck, forward playback quit working on the right deck. Then about a year later it quit working on the left deck. Reverse play still works on both. It is a known issue of these decks, plastic cogwheels breaks apart. I bought new 3D-printed cogwheels but haven't installed them yet. I can play and record in reverse mode after all ;)

They liked rounded shapes back then. I have a more professional-looking box with aluminum case from another brand. Too bad I was only able to use it on Win2K, it was designed for Win98. Now it is a useless paperweight. I expected the DVC-170 to work at least on Win7/32. Not sure why it did not.

FireWire a.k.a. iLINK a.k.a. IEEE-1394 is the standard digital link for DV camcorders. If you computer does not have a Firewire port, then as the last resort you can use analog output. SVideo is pretty good actually, if your camcorder has it. Otherwise, the lowest common denominator is the composite output. Basically, you capture in the same way as from a VHS or Hi8 camcorder. On the positive side, the picture still will look better than VHS and it will be steady without jitter or picture roll.

@@ConsumerDV Thanks for the fast response! Is it possible that my camcorder (Panasonic NV-GS120) only sends video signal through SVideo? I tried connecting it through A/V to a composite capture card device, it only reads the mic accurately, and a split second green glitch on the video sometimes when I changed the mode in the cam

It looks that the camcorder has a TRRS jack, they may have different wiring. Are you using the A/V cable that originally came with the camcorder? As long as ground is on the proper pin, you can juggle the RCA jacks to find where the video is and where each of the audio channels is. If the ground is incorrect, you need another cable. See this, for example: www.reddit.com/r/audio/comments/ukgcgl/curious_about_how_35mm_trrs_jacks_works_cant_get/ or img.radiokot.ru/files/105130/1itqcr7yb3.png You may want to search more for "TRRS pinout". Also double check the menu [TAPE PLAYBACK MENU]>>[AV IN/OUT]>>[AV JACK]>>[IN/OUT], make sure it is set to [OUT].

What is the camcorder brand/model and what is your computer OS?

The AXM does not have SVideo output because it is not an SVHS machine, but it does have a TBC, nice! I agree, it does a good job for capturing footage, although on some more challenging tapes the TBC gets confused, see my review of the Panasonic VHS/DVD combo, where I have samples from the SXM37 as well: ua-cam.com/video/LaH73rhBHbk/v-deo.html

I tried connecting my Panasonic DV camcorder to a 3rd generation Macbook Pro via USB, and it did not work. The computer did not recognize a device connected to USB, Finder did not show it, iMovie did not offer to import from it. Connecting the camcorder to a Windows computer was markedly different: Windows Movie Maker as well as other applications recognized an A/V device connected to USB and offered to import from it. I don't know whether additional drivers for Mac are needed, but even the old user manuals mention capturing video over USB only in relation to Windows. YMMV.

I don't think you know what you are talking about. The original Japanese analog HD needed 30 MHz bandwidth to look good. In an effort to adapt it for satellite and OTA broadcast the Japanese squeezed it to 15, 12, 9 and finally to 6 MHz, the latter version was unwatchable. Higher-bandwidth variants were watchable, but the engineers had to use various analog compression schemes including 4:1 interlacing, so motion with lots of colors did not look great. Digital was the way to go.

@@ConsumerDV Well, I don't know much about history of video system development, but I understand that there's possibility. Let narrow it down to only the body of the video itself ('cause I don't know much about broadcasting system, which will complicate the point I try to make). A raw video signal that come out of an image sensor can be processing as many ways as engineers can think of, may be the engineers need to unstuck in trying to implementing, expanding, extending from the old analog scheme and come up with new method but in analog way. The way of digital converting/compression make video structurally blocky, while the analog video processing there's no block on the video image, so the output feel more natural (scanline is not a problem), while blocky videos(even high bitrate) still feel artificial, that is the thing that turned me to become disliking digital video. Another obvious thing is that it converts/compress the raw video directly since the first stage(not sure I stated this right, sorry if I'm wrong). What if they could convert the raw video signal to something else analog first(of course the new/better analog method)and then after the last stage of processing, use the best/high compression digital method to compress the data (but not on the data of raw video directly) on the final output for recording, streaming, broadcasting, etc., may be this method could get rid of those blocks and have a smooth and better video image. I personally believe it's worthy and achievable, if big corps dare to invest in it.

I sold my HDV camcorders after transferring videos to a computer, but I kept my MiniDV camcorders. I liked the Sony HDR-HC1 a lot, it was a treat to hold, but it had no progressive mode and its reliability was questionable. The HV30 and later the HV40 had all the features I needed, but I could have the same features without bothering with tape by switching to AVCHD, which I did. My MiniDV camcorders have more sentimental value I guess, also they have CCD, while my HDV camcorders had CMOS, so the look is slightly different, no jello or skew with CCD. I don't think that HDV offers a unique look compared to modern tech, OTOH I think it is still usable, especially considering the broadcast TV quality getting worse: from about 15 Mbps to 5 Mbps, while HDV is 25 Mbps. Not everyone needs 4K.

Passthrough takes analog A/V in, does not matter VHS, Hi8 or Beta, outputs as DV. Some camcorders have composite analog jack only, other also have SVideo. Some Digital 8 camcorders have built-in TBC, this is even better - a single device to stabilize and digitize video.

You can also use a Panasonic DVD recorder as pass-through. DMR-ES10, DMR-ES15 and DMR-ES16 (Canadian version of DMR-ES15) have a frame sync that acts like a TBC, to fix wavy edges and top edge tearing. It can drop frames internally though, and in some cases, posterize the image a bit. But it works when other TBCs won't. There's also video mixers... they too have TBCs. I just bought a Panasonic WJ-AVE5 mixer, but it's still on it's way through snail mail. I also just purchased a SignVideo proc amp that has a Sync function that supposedly fixes both tearing and vertical jitter. It's also still on it's way though. Hurry up and wait. 😋

I have a video about DMR-ES35V here: ua-cam.com/video/LaH73rhBHbk/v-deo.html

Subtitles are available.

R you sure ? If you don"t understand his accent it means that your English is very pore ( Dose not matters if you r native or not )

I can and understand very well.

I don't have LD and I don't have Roku. I think that the current Dazzle have washed out image, all other converters are similar, anyway the levels can be adjusted before capture in a driver-specific dialog box. No, UA-cam streaming does not have Macrovision, it is an analog copy-protection scheme. BTW, it just so happened that I have used the DVC100 to record off OTA TV, you can see it here: ua-cam.com/video/GYz-srFadxU/v-deo.html

I don't know what input your amp expects. As far as I understand, this deck outputs line level signal.

Yeah, the drivers are finicky. Try connecting the device, reboot the computer, install the drivers, reboot again. Usually it works for me. Often, if I disconnect the device and hot-plug it again, it does not work until I reboot. Not the most reliable drivers.

Hi, I don't think it can transfer video over USB. The "Getting to know your camcorder" chapter reads, "You can transfer still images to a PC using the USB interface without an add-on card". The same chapter says that both moving and still images can be transferred to a PC by using IEEE 1394 a.k.a. Firewire port. The operating manual does not specify which version of USB the camcorder supports. You need at least USB 2 High Speed to transfer DV video without recompression, I don't think it is capable of it. You should use Firewire/DV port for uploading video to a computer.

Thanks! I think that 4K is overkill for VHS or Video8, although uploading to YT at 1080p seems to preserve more detail than 720p just because YT affords more bitrate for higher resolution. The Digital8 camcorder that I have has built-in TBC and a very good one, so this is my go-to solution for 8-mm tapes. For VHS I have got a Panasonic VHS/DVD recorder, which works sufficiently well: ua-cam.com/video/LaH73rhBHbk/v-deo.html

I don't own game consoles, so cannot help with that.

A pinned comment by another viewer pretty much sums up my impressions. I don't use OBS, it is not meant for analog video capture, it is not meant for capturing interlaced video. The last time I tried it, the best I could achieve with OBS was 60p using deinterlacer built into OBS. I don't remember whether I was able to obtain 30i from it, maybe I should try again. Since I have a working solution for Windows, I don't feel compelled to use OBS. Yes, VirtualDub2 and AmarecTV work on my Win10 laptop. I don't have a Win11 system to test.

Reel cassettes usually play less smoothly. Small reels look nice in a walkman, but none of my walkmans has a large window. I wish I could afford a proper reel-to-reel machine with ten-inch reels.

@ConsumerDV me too but for now I'm just enjoying my tapes

You got two more during the last year? :) I sold mine. But I have three Panasonic HDC-SD9: 3CCD + 24p.

@@ConsumerDV i am surprised how good panasonic cameras are. I never thought of buying one until I saw some of the videos on youtube.